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Supernatural has had some beautiful design and direction over the seasons, but I don't know when I've seen a frame I liked quite as well as this one from 5.01.


Sam is very, very low!



owzers and I were dissecting the episode tonight and there's this blip, at the point where Sam and Dean are about to be overwhelmed and probably killed by the breaking of the last seal. Sam looks over his shoulder to where Lucifer is rising:



Then

Blip

Blip. (I stared till I was crosseyed but I didn't see any hidden 3D picture.) There's a break in reality.

Then they're on the, um, "soul plane". As in dead? Limbo? Between lives? And the Devil says to [Yosemite] Sam, "I could use a guy like you."

And then the rest of the story unfolds. Well, owzers had a fascinating theory about it, and I think I concur: this whole ep is Sam's guilt-wracked hallucination as he is being taken over by Lucifer.

But more screencaps of symbolism.

Sam goes where he wasn't supposed to go. Witness the Do Not Enter sign:


He descends, past a very Ruby2-looking woman, towards a level twice as low as "Ruby".


In the very sleazy motel, he is lower than Dean. This motif recurs throughout the ep.


When Dean comes down to his level, he gives this very Sam-like gesture, and look! There are two Sams--real and reflected.


And a bit later, when Bobby arrives in the Impala (with new plates), there's this shot:

which has nothing to do with anything except guh.

Comments

donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
oooh interesting. I had noticed some of this, especially the weird way Dean was 'above' Sam so often and the random stairs. I don't know if I buy into the idea it's a hallucination or break in reality, but it could certainly be pushing the idea of Sam's lower status, or especially, Dean's higher one.

Where did you get your caps? I haven't found any of this episode yet and I was looking for ones of the end of the fight between Bobby and Dean.
emeraldsedai
Sep. 12th, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
I captured the frames myself. I use Gom Player, a free multi-format video player for Windows that has frame-stepping and capture capabilities.

What were you looking for specifically in the Bobby/Dean fight? I could try to capture something for you.
donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
It was more of a curiosity then anything else. I was hoping for screencaps because I didn't tape it so I can't rewatch to check the one scene.

At the very end of the fight between Dean and Bobby when Bobby's holding the knife high like he's about to stab Dean. Dean has one hand holding Bobby's arm which is pinning him to the wall, but the other he has up with the palm out in an odd angle. I could have sworn the lighting on the hand was a bit different or strange or something for a second and that's right before Bobby's eyes change back and Bobby controls the demon enough to stab himself.

So, after Zachariah announced Dean was Micheal's vessel I started thinking about that scene- if there something about his hand that enabled Bobby to break the demon's hold.

There's no need for you to cap it or anything, I'm sure I'll find it somewhere eventually.
emeraldsedai
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
Aw, but it was fun!



I didn't see any special effects or anything, but Bobby is definitely staring at that palm and not at Dean's face, when he's in control of his body, just before he stabs himself.
donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
Oh you're a DOLL! Thank you! I was right then, that Bobby's attention was on Dean's hand!

It's interesting, because, if you think about it, why would dean hold his hand up like that? Why not try to use it to hit Bobby in the stomach or face or whatever?

(Unless he's going to try to grab Bobby's forearm or something and I'm just reading into things...)
emeraldsedai
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
No, I don't think you're over-reading it. That whole scene is just odd. Bobby and Dean stand there in a kind of armlock (very visible in the cap above), Bobby's hand on Dean's, um, clavicle (hee!) and Dean gripping Bobby's shirtfront and pushing him away, and they stay that way throughout Meg's little speech.

It's either a sudden terrible lapse in Robert Singer's usual good directing, or there's a kind of demon-standoff-y thing going on. I mean, Meg has time to chat with Dean, plant the kiss on him, comment some more; Dean has time and energy for snark; and THEN Meg hands Bobby the knife and gives him permission to cut Dean up.

Bobby-demon even hesitates, looks around for additional permission, is goaded into action by Meg--and all that time Dean is standing there, leaning sideways toward his left hand like maybe he's trying to reach for a weapon on his left hip or thigh. Then up comes the left hand of presumed angel smiting or something.

IDK. It is a strange scene. Hard to believe Kripke and Singer boxed themselves into a corner on such an important plot moment and had no other choice, so I'm going with "might mean something" until they once again prove my faith in them to be misplaced. They've certainly done it before.
donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
I'm going with "might mean something" until they once again prove my faith in them to be misplaced.

Overall though, they do tend to have methods for their madness. In most other shows (NCIS, for example) I'd just have assumed crap directing or writing, but in SPN there's at least the possibility for it to mean something more.
emeraldsedai
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
I cling to your perspective at least until next Thursday night!
donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that there is a reason that Bobby was able to do the near impossible thing of take control back from a demon. Otherwise, I shall be very grumpy.
emeraldsedai
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
Daddy Winchester did it once too. Maybe it's a father-figure thing.
donutsweeper
Sep. 12th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
He's the only other example I can think of and I'm trying to remember the specifics of exactly when that happened. Dean was in the room, but I can't remember if he was looking at Dean or not.
emeraldsedai
Sep. 13th, 2009 12:08 am (UTC)
He was lying on the floor in that cabin at the end of S1. Azazel had pinned Dean to the wall and he was hurtin'. Sam had the Colt. John got control for a few moments and begged Sam to shoot him, but it we could never be 100% certain that it was John, even though the eyes stopped being yellow.

I don't think he looked to Dean, but I'd have to watch again to be sure.
donutsweeper
Sep. 13th, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
I think you're right. Oh well, there goes my theory.

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